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		<title>By: Miss Loi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Loi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh &lt;b&gt;Daphne&lt;/b&gt;, the poor maths tutor had waited and waited at the &lt;i&gt;tze char&lt;/i&gt; restaurant on Saturday night, but as you can see &lt;b&gt;Clarion&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s solution only came in on Sunday night, and coupled with a 34.3% chance of her being unimpressed by roses or candlelight ... think our &lt;i&gt;Ah Beng&lt;/i&gt; might have to wait for another year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh <b>Daphne</b>, the poor maths tutor had waited and waited at the <i>tze char</i> restaurant on Saturday night, but as you can see <b>Clarion</b>'s solution only came in on Sunday night, and coupled with a 34.3% chance of her being unimpressed by roses or candlelight ... think our <i>Ah Beng</i> might have to wait for another year.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Loi</title>
		<link>http://www.exampaper.com.sg/questions/e-maths/the-chances-of-dating-a-sexy-maths-tutor#comment-22059</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Loi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes &lt;b&gt;Clarion&lt;/b&gt;, we women have been guilty on many occasions of not painting the full picture (being deliberate &lt;i&gt;dao&lt;/i&gt; or otherwise :P)

So in this case (where two sets of data are given), the &quot;full pictures&quot; (i.e. our Venn Diagrams) are not shown. &amp;there4 it&#039;s good to bear in mind the following &lt;span class=&quot;highlight&quot;&gt;three possible scenarios of Venn Diagrams involving two sets&lt;/span&gt;, in order for you to have a clearer picture of which scenario to apply for the various parts of the question:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venn-diagrams-scenarios.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Possible Scenarios of 2-set Venn Diagrams&quot; /&gt;

Let &lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; = {women who like roses} and &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt; = {women who like candlelight dinners}.

Translating what&#039;s given in the question into geeky Set Language, we have:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;In a group of 350 women he surveyed&quot; &#8658; n(&#958;) = 350&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;200 of them like roses&quot; &#8658; n(&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt;) = 200&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;230 of them like candlelight dinners&quot; &#8658; n(&lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;) = 230&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;

no. of &quot;women who like &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; roses and candlelight dinners&quot;
= n(&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; &#8745; &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;) &#8594; let this be &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt;

&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;

no. of &quot;women who like &lt;em&gt;neither&lt;/em&gt; roses nor candlelight dinners&quot;
= n( (&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; &#8746; &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;)&#039; ) &#8594; let this be &lt;var&gt;n&lt;/var&gt;

&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

You&#039;re &lt;strong&gt;spot-on&lt;/strong&gt; in your initial check of:
n(&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt;) + n(&lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;) = 200 + 230 = 430 &gt; n(&#958;) 
&#8658; there MUST be an intersection 
&#8658; &lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; &#8745; &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt; &#8800; [pmath]varnothing[/pmath] (we can rule out the Disjoint Scenario)

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&lt;li&gt;

To illustrate what you&#039;ve worked out in a Venn Diagram, in order for &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt; to be minimum we should be looking at the usual &lt;strong&gt;Intersect Scenario&lt;/strong&gt; (since the Subset Scenario actually maximizes &lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; &#8745; &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;)

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venn-diagram-1.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Venn Diagram for Part 1&quot; /&gt;

From the diagram it&#039;s clear that: 
200 &#8722; &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt; + &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt; + 230 &#8722; &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt; + &lt;var&gt;n&lt;/var&gt; = 350
&#8658; &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt; + &lt;var&gt;n&lt;/var&gt; = 80
&#8658; Min &lt;var&gt;m&lt;/var&gt; = 80 (occurs when &lt;var&gt;n&lt;/var&gt; = 0)

&#8756; smallest possible % of women who like both roses and candlelight dinners 
= (80/350) x 100% &#8776; 22.9% (3 sig. fig.) 

&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;

To maximize &lt;var&gt;n&lt;/var&gt;, we&#039;re looking to maximize the shaded area (&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; &#8746; &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;)&#039; in the Venn Diagram. 

Hence we should be looking at the &lt;strong&gt;Subset Scenario&lt;/strong&gt;, where like you said &quot;those who don’t want dinners also don’t want roses&quot;:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venn-diagram-2.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Venn Diagram for Part 2&quot; /&gt;

So max &lt;var&gt;n&lt;/var&gt;
= n(&#958;) &#8722; n(&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; &#8746; &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;)
= n(&#958;) &#8722; n(&lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;)
= 350 &#8722; 230
= 120

∴ largest possible % of women who like neither roses nor candlelight dinners
= (120/350) x 100% ≈ 34.3% (3 sig. fig.)

&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

As for Miss Loi&#039;s set ... umm ... probably (&lt;var&gt;R&lt;/var&gt; ∪ &lt;var&gt;C&lt;/var&gt;)&#039; heee ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes <b>Clarion</b>, we women have been guilty on many occasions of not painting the full picture (being deliberate <i>dao</i> or otherwise <img src='http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>So in this case (where two sets of data are given), the "full pictures" (i.e. our Venn Diagrams) are not shown. &#038;there4 it's good to bear in mind the following <span class="highlight">three possible scenarios of Venn Diagrams involving two sets</span>, in order for you to have a clearer picture of which scenario to apply for the various parts of the question:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venn-diagrams-scenarios.gif" alt="Possible Scenarios of 2-set Venn Diagrams" /></p>
<p>Let <var>R</var> = {women who like roses} and <var>C</var> = {women who like candlelight dinners}.</p>
<p>Translating what's given in the question into geeky Set Language, we have:</p>
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<li>"In a group of 350 women he surveyed" &rArr; n(&xi;) = 350</li>
<li>"200 of them like roses" &rArr; n(<var>R</var>) = 200</li>
<li>"230 of them like candlelight dinners" &rArr; n(<var>C</var>) = 230</li>
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<p>no. of "women who like <em>both</em> roses and candlelight dinners"<br />
= n(<var>R</var> &cap; <var>C</var>) &rarr; let this be <var>m</var></p>
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<p>no. of "women who like <em>neither</em> roses nor candlelight dinners"<br />
= n( (<var>R</var> &cup; <var>C</var>)' ) &rarr; let this be <var>n</var></p>
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<p>You're <strong>spot-on</strong> in your initial check of:<br />
n(<var>R</var>) + n(<var>C</var>) = 200 + 230 = 430 &gt; n(&xi;)<br />
&rArr; there MUST be an intersection<br />
&rArr; <var>R</var> &cap; <var>C</var> &ne; <img src="http://www.exampaper.com.sg/wp-content/plugins/wpmathpub/phpmathpublisher/img/math_994.5_a793b79e0912e7b2d615ea256a0a25cd.png" style="vertical-align:-5.5px; display: inline-block ;" alt="varnothing" title="varnothing"/> (we can rule out the Disjoint Scenario)</p>
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<p>To illustrate what you've worked out in a Venn Diagram, in order for <var>m</var> to be minimum we should be looking at the usual <strong>Intersect Scenario</strong> (since the Subset Scenario actually maximizes <var>R</var> &cap; <var>C</var>)</p>
<p><img src="http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venn-diagram-1.gif" alt="Venn Diagram for Part 1" /></p>
<p>From the diagram it's clear that:<br />
200 &minus; <var>m</var> + <var>m</var> + 230 &minus; <var>m</var> + <var>n</var> = 350<br />
&rArr; <var>m</var> + <var>n</var> = 80<br />
&rArr; Min <var>m</var> = 80 (occurs when <var>n</var> = 0)</p>
<p>&there4; smallest possible % of women who like both roses and candlelight dinners<br />
= (80/350) x 100% &asymp; 22.9% (3 sig. fig.) </p>
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<p>To maximize <var>n</var>, we're looking to maximize the shaded area (<var>R</var> &cup; <var>C</var>)' in the Venn Diagram. </p>
<p>Hence we should be looking at the <strong>Subset Scenario</strong>, where like you said "those who don’t want dinners also don’t want roses":</p>
<p><img src="http://www.exampaper.com.sg/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/venn-diagram-2.gif" alt="Venn Diagram for Part 2" /></p>
<p>So max <var>n</var><br />
= n(&xi;) &minus; n(<var>R</var> &cup; <var>C</var>)<br />
= n(&xi;) &minus; n(<var>C</var>)<br />
= 350 &minus; 230<br />
= 120</p>
<p>∴ largest possible % of women who like neither roses nor candlelight dinners<br />
= (120/350) x 100% ≈ 34.3% (3 sig. fig.)</p>
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<p>As for Miss Loi's set ... umm ... probably (<var>R</var> ∪ <var>C</var>)' heee ...</p>
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		<title>By: clarion-x</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarion-x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the heck do you show workings for this one?

Anyway, 
1) If all ladies who like roses like dinners as well, then intersection = 0 people (since set representing ladies who want roses is a subset of ladies who want dinners). However, then there will be 430 people. Hence minimum intersection= 
430- 350=80. %tage= 22.8% (3 sig fig)

2) Assuming all ladies who don&#039;t want dinners also don&#039;t want roses, maximum number of ladies who don&#039;t want both= 350-230= 120.
%tage= 34.3% (3 sig fig)

So which set do you fall into? ;D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the heck do you show workings for this one?</p>
<p>Anyway,<br />
1) If all ladies who like roses like dinners as well, then intersection = 0 people (since set representing ladies who want roses is a subset of ladies who want dinners). However, then there will be 430 people. Hence minimum intersection=<br />
430- 350=80. %tage= 22.8% (3 sig fig)</p>
<p>2) Assuming all ladies who don't want dinners also don't want roses, maximum number of ladies who don't want both= 350-230= 120.<br />
%tage= 34.3% (3 sig fig)</p>
<p>So which set do you fall into? ;D</p>
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		<title>By: Daphne Maia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daphne Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does the winner / first one to geth the right answer score a romantic candlelight dinner date with you tomorrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does the winner / first one to geth the right answer score a romantic candlelight dinner date with you tomorrow?</p>
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